The Final Act was just amazing! Speaking of a stubborn man, He said: If he refuse to hear even the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen (Matt. Edward, By the by, http://www.jameswhite.org for the CA website url? Regardless of what has happened behind the keyboard, no one can argue that White is rude to his opponents in his debates and the White/Pacwa debates have proved this. Do you presume I disagree with the main point of his argument? Already read the whole thing before posting. Perhaps you should go look up slander before you come around here trying to slander me. May God Bless you, Papa! The evasion in the answer is obvious. The Epistle from Laodicea to the Colossians The harted you guys show toward White actually proves the very point he wanted to make in posting those pictures. Maybe on his screen it looked smaller. Otherwise, how is one to judge between one list of books and another? Dont try to dillute the issue Im debating by attempting to attribute to me other debates or issues Im not involved with or attempting to defend. Thanks for taking the time to make things clear! Very well-spotted. A couple of other points just briefly. I have twenty-five years of experience in the field and I know most of the state-of-the art research and researchers. There are only two other Foxfiers I have found, and one is on a single, defunct website. It just goes to demonstrate how INEXCUSABLE someone elses claims were! And so Catholics began to call themselves Catholic. In that same century St. Augustine said: All heretics wish to call themselves Catholics; yet if you ask any of them to direct you to a Catholic church, he will not direct you to his own! Wouldnt they then be more intruiged to find out more about him, seeing as you deem him important enough to name your apologetics website after him? Does Jimmys come with the white cowboy hat? Reviewed & updated: December 8, 2022 by Jamie Wilson BA. James used to be an Elder at my church, and I've discussed the issue with him several times in the past. Soon as White says Look, Im sorry Ill be cool with im. Thoroughly. Now what will you do about your own unsubstantiated attack? But for the past 2000 years? Can We Trust What the New Testament Says about Jesus and the Gospel? Splendid stuff. Does Belief in the Trinity Necessitate Shirk? For I had heard how Anthony had been admonished by a reading from the Gospel at which he chanced to be present, as if the words read were addressed to him: Go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven, and come, follow me. and that by such portent he was immediately converted to you. But all these are rejected outright by many American evangelicals by their preexisting and unbiblical gnostic philosophies. The intertwined alpha omega along with the quote flanking its two sides is definitely a work of art to fall in love with. I mean, what do you tell people who stumble onto the site looking for theological answers who have never heard of James White? Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. But having said that, White has shown he is a gentleman just look at the debates with Pacwa, for instance. In the old days, saying really offensive and stupid things to someone might get you decked. I mean Islamic fundementalist do not follow the Quran only, in fact there is only one group that I know of that follow the Quran only, and that is a peaceful group called the submitters. Comparing foaming-at-the-mouth bronze age fanatics to Catholics who disagree with him is completely absurd. It also doesnt say we have to forgive one who does not repent. Furthermore, that tattoo was designed to match one already received by the Reformed Baptist statesmen, his father-in-law, James White. CB, Sandy, Gwen and the others have a filter through which they view the church, church history, and arguments against the church. Augustine? Or perhaps the collective memory/prejudice of us protestants is holographicly generating the artifacts of history in question and we will all be saved once we realize it never happened after all. How many photos of mob scenes like the ones White doctored depict mobs of authoritarian Catholics? Humbly, As for using the pictures, at least they have made people think about the meaning of charity in communicating Gospel truth. Actually, Id be obliged if you could think of a third option? This is the fourth, and thankfully, final portion of my response. Also, I am thinking of the debate White had with that Muslim Abdul Malik, both cordialin fact there isnt a debate I can rthink of(of course havent seen/heard them all) where white hasnt been a true Christian gentleman. //So no one should respond to Hittchens or Dawkins because they are sometimes offensive? Try it just once and youll see. To this end, and if the above premise is true, then the question How do we know this to be Authoritatively True? must be answered: Isnt this the kind of answers that Roman Catholic apologists hate? The last 20 years hes walked with the Lord, hes had numerous roles and functions in the local church which have all led his family to Phoenix and then to Apologia to wholeheartedly serve and pour out their lives for the sake of the gospel of the Kingdom. It is a manner of common decency and respect for the ones fellow man (I would say fellow Christian, but I know White has his own theory on that). Were the same. Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses. I should add that the result of the six-step progression I just documented is that so-call apologetics becomes an exercise in arguing about who is more offensive than whom. on his lack of charity when they cant be charitable themselves. Theo no worries, were not very formal here. If indeed Grace poured out via the Holy Spirit, completely independent from Church Tradition and Ecclesiastical Action, was the arbiter involved in the discernment of Gods infallible Canon, wouldnt the documentation and history surrounding the council bear witness to this? just further proves my point. Youre arguing with a monergist here Thomas, not a synergist. I fail to see how the Bible being 100% Gods word neccessitates the rejection of the FACT that God employed human authors to convey His Word. Calvin? First it must be established that that canon you are attempting to define is not the only canon in existence. Jill, For Pete sakes people your committing logical fallacy in pretty much every post. I would like to ask anyone who claims that the Roman Catholic Church, as it exists today, has existed for nearly 2000 years, to explain something to me. Please note Im only an average layperson (and I never really post online), so what I say might be in error. He (Dr Beckwith) repeatedly (two out of three aint bad) left his readers/listeners with the distinct impression that he had not read Trent until recently and insulted his former Lutheran professors by indicating they had led him to expect: to read this sort of horrible document, you know, requiring people to stick pins in their eyes, you know, and flagellate themselves, you know, I think he made a error in judgement. Whose uncritical acceptance are you referring to? Clark Im not interested in buying any bridges. Question: if the Bible is 100% Gods Word (as I believe as well), why do we talk about Paul, Peter, Matthew, etc. Road Trip Dividing Line from Texas: Special Revelation, Natural Revelation, and Some Inseparable Operations posted by James White on February 23rd, 2023. aomin.org. Also, its interesting how in your most recent comment, you have excluded the White disciple; therefore, would it be unreasonable for me to concluded now that you are pointing the finger at Catholics, since they would be the one, based on what youve been implying here and on the other thread, with the malicious intents? Good grief, arent we all Christians, here?! This isnt an apologetics website, and frankly, most of us arent here to talk apologetics. No one deserves maltreatment. Moreover, no Emperor regarded himself as the priest of his imperium. To the first he gave the name "RCfatwa" (i.e., Roman Catholic fatwa): To the second he gave the name "RCcharity" (i.e., "Roman Catholic charity"depicting the attitude of the man in the picture as the kind of charity that Catholics display): Toward the end of his post, White seeks to blunt criticism of these pictures (or appears to do so) by saying: Now, I have obviously attempted to insert a bit of levity, and a bit of humorous sarcasm here, for the simple reason that Im to the point where you either have to laugh or cry. Tech Phone Ext. Now, I realize that there is tension between Catholics and James White because he challenges the teachings of the Catholic Faith but dont let that distort your judgements. Unfortunately, Naik knows better than to debate those who can demonstrate his errors. Is The Roman Catholic Priesthood Biblical & Ancient? But after that the lists are made up of anything that comes to hand; of anything that can be put in the same catalogue without being in the same category. Wouldnt they then be more intruiged to find out more about him, seeing as you deem him important enough to name your apologetics website after him? You dont insult a man you intend to persuade. My fingers are hurting. Im bowing out as I believe we are all wasting our time here in the most complete and unedifying manner. I have not yet met a good answer as to why we should accept such a logical fallacy as one of the central tenets of the Christian Faith. I suppose I should brush up on my regulations though, that or Mr. Akin should deal with the issues. The Acts of the Kings of Israel[18] 1. My brothers and sisters in Christ: Your bad was imputing malicious intent on the most tenuous of circumstantial evidence. did anyone see the White/Pacwa debatejust look at the debates with Pacwa Jimmy on the other hand is just plain good person. Of course, I know both of you will continue on ignoring these facts, but, now that you have been informed you cant claim ignorance of the subject. Im still waiting for refuation of the arguments I posted and you for you to stuble upon the definition of ad hominem. The Lord bless you and keep you, the Lord make His face to shine upon you and be gracious to you, and may He lift up His countenance upon you and give you His peace. Jesus said, So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. Who doesnt want his sins forgiven? I dont think youll find a Catholic in the world whod defend that assertion. 5:14). Jimmys analysis of Dr. When I attempted to explain that participation in the hypostatic union was a well-known element of patristic theology, from First Nicaea to Chalcedon to Second Nicaea, he hung up on me. You have not even adduced any other body, let alone any evidence that it was indeed that body and not the Councils. Um, I have no idea what your comment, White is particularly antagonistic to White, means or is connected with. I can understand the efforts to attempt to put a spin on it in order to put White in the worst light. The only thing that keeps the trolls here is our inability to honestly express gratitude to White for the credit he bestows upon Holy Mother Church and, by extension, us. Edward, You have made your point abundantly clear: we deserve it. Characterize it pejoratively as such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though But I dont think it *hurts* anyone to debate apologetics in this thread, Mr. Spock. Wow. In that sense, only Jesus can save him. Are. Catholic Answers is more thoughtful in what they do and Im more than certain that they wouldnt sink down to CareBears level and commit something as underhanded as that! If you wish to follow Christ, yes, you must. The first will be last, the last first. Is everything in Foxes book of martyrs a mere fabrication? I think its on the grounds of futility that the debate should be ended. Im happy you put genuine in quotation marks, so as you differentiate the Gospel of Romanism from the Gospel of Christ. canon contains 1+ n books known only to Author What? I think JWs picture has served its purpose though but distracting the discuss from the origional point: JW impugned that Dr. Beckwith is a liar, that point in turn was diverting the discussion from the actual point of what Trent actually said. Catholics and Protestants both believe what they say it says. Speaking of CHEAP DEBATE TACTICS TO AVOID THE REAL ISSUES, you seem to OVERLOOK the fact that it is JAMES WHITE resorting to CHEAP DEBATE TACTICS TO AVOID THE REAL ISSUES, but I guess THATS OKAY, huh???? This is all pertinent to the next little blurb, which reads: Stubblespark it might even help the White apologists who seem to fear the same silence. Im honored to cyber-know each and everyone of you. Your original claim was that the Apostles were empowered. Eileen and Simple Sinner, yes and Im glad you spelled it out. Ed, I wasnt looking in a mirror. Tech Street3: Those who did so showed their fruits, by which we now know them. Perhaps you missed that part, you have to prove it is true or show it is true. And the Crusades! Sometimes, when an issue is so big, its hopeless to carve it up into little soundbytes or hastily posted zingers. And, by the bye,I am a United Methodist, not Catholic. What gives? Pluck a man out of 1950. CareBear, Also, even the more knowledgeable anti-Catholics will recognize that there is no lack of historical, philosophical, or even Biblical support for Catholicism. Foxfier, :^) (Though the laughter is gaining the upper hand at the moment. Obviously I was unclear. Turn on the smoke evacuation fans and get back to the issues. Which speaks volumes about the posters character. Thats all very interesting, and Im sure God knows whos winning the ad hominem war, but it bores me to tears and I have no time for it. Wasnt there a guy who was good at this, whats his nameChick or something? Well, lets seeby awarding him a casuistry degree, you are accusing him of specious reasoning. It was SDG who said its gnostic. Youre mischaracterizing divine inspiration to fit your meaning in order to draw that conclusion, either you or Aquinas was. I fail to see how the Bible being 100% Gods word neccessitates the rejection of the FACT that God employed human authors to convey His Word. SeanPatrickCornell. Apologetics, Faraston Seminary, 1995, M.A. Pity. Youll need to prove that canon is a product of tradition in order to corner me into the Well since you believe the canon is right you need to submit to Tradition routine. The Eucharist, Sola Scriptura and Tradition, Proclaiming the Gospel of Grace in Salt Lake. Martin Luther is an ally on this question. The horrors and dangers of catholicism were judged to be so pronounced as to excuse or require harsh []charity. Apologetics is the giving of a logical defense, yet Ive seen little of that. Its Akins Law that includes comparisons with Islamists. Answered in the White quotes in the most basic, brief, and surface manner. Im not interested in those arguments, nor in the well-blasted trenches of apologetics warfare, which I have avoided throughout, thanks. Dr. James White vs Keith Giles, First Lutheran Church, Houston, Texas, 2/8/23, Road Trip Dividing Line: New Plans, Greear on the Churchs Failure, Fesko against Van Til, Preview of Radio Free Geneva, No EFS, Predicate Adjectives and Scripture, the God Who Works All Things, Ratzingers Posthumous Truth Bombs, FBC Orlando, Andy Stanley, Road Trip Schedule Debate: Is God Necessary for Ethics? Akin has not scheduled a debate, at least publicly. That would be nice. Jeff is a popular speaker for camps, conferences, churches & schools across the nation. We did another Road Trip DL today from Lafayette, Louisiana where I will be speaking for the weekend. As you have, I can see. At that point its time to move on to more important things. As a matter of fact, one of the pivotal moments in my conversion was an AUDIO CASSETTE of James White and Jimmy Akin on a Protestant radio talk show. or accept the harsh criticism. So some people have tried to love James White and bring him to life, and he has compared them to persons who hate and try to bring death. Matthew, Important point. SDG, Read Esaus response verses, without the filter of thinking that the Catholic Church and its members are seeking glory. Im sure you would agree on this To the extent that I have been overbearing, I apologize. However, no matter how infallible God is, us men are fallible. Where? I recall someone saying the best example of a Catholic Apologist. The no name is me. Admin Street2: Maybe Q borrowed them from Art. View all posts by Jimmy Akin. Im torn between both myself reading this. And how binding is a modern fatwa? Thank you, Constantine. This does not mean that White does not know anything. It is hard to take back a joke but real easy to pull pictures off a website. How do you know that Hebrews is actually Scripture? A few things. 3. It was a pretty hard question to answer as you might imagine. Can you say the same for White supporters? So much for the perspicuity of Scripture. *YAWN* (MK)This is a very vague, generalized statement. *see above posts for examples* As somebody earlier mentioned it is the accusing party that must prove their case! For that matter, it might have been nice if you mentioned that I told you where the information could be found. Im sorry. Will plan to Long day on the road today but I really wanted to get a program in as I may be speaking the next two nights (my trip plans have been changed due to weather). How come this individual has no peace of mind? You can go for this tattoo pictured above, which illustrates the literal meaning of both the symbols. CareBear, In fact, had somebody not even mentioned the site on that thread, I wouldnt have even heard about it in the first place. I mean if you look at whites newest post he has a picture of a troll on in it! Not. Its hilarious that you feel that facts from the debate is irrelevant when, actually, it is the very heart of the matter! But thank you for your interaction. You cant have it both ways, both definitive and conditional. Funny, it looks a lot more like it than not putting the piece of paper out there. A coloured floral tattoo like this one may just be what you need to add vibrance to your skin. Thats nice. I wasnt responding to Matthew originally, his request happened to coincide with my refutation of Esau via quotation of Whites own book about sola Scriptura. Ah well. They innocently introduced the website in the Amazing. The Apostles were empowered by our Saviour to forgive sins: Posted by: Jeremiah | Aug 9, 2007 7:41:30 PM 1)The Word of God, which is contained in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, is the only rule given by God to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy him. While most are happy with the fly, there are still many of us waiting for the elephant to be addressed. We should storm heaven with prayers for his conversion. This time he should win the 2007 most Melodramatic. But why is it that youll use the phrase our people for those who were killed, but disown any stock in those who killed? What a weak excuse Johnathan. CB, Sandy, Gwen and the others have a filter through which they view the church, church history, and arguments against the church. 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